{"id":347,"date":"2004-04-27T12:39:00","date_gmt":"2004-04-27T16:39:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/wp\/?p=326"},"modified":"2004-04-27T12:39:00","modified_gmt":"2004-04-27T16:39:00","slug":"bray-on-web-services","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/2004\/04\/bray-on-web-services\/","title":{"rendered":"Bray on Web services"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I&#8217;ve wondered before where exactly\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.tbray.org\">Tim Bray<\/a> stands on Web services.\n<a href=\"http:\/\/www.tbray.org\/ongoing\/When\/200x\/2004\/04\/26\/WSTandP\">Now I know<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n<p>I agree with him more than I disagree, but there&#8217;s something I very\nstrongly disagree with him about.  Where I do agree with him is in the\nneed for simplicity; things have gotten totally out of control, and we\nneed to fall back to what we know works.<\/p>\n\n<p>Where I disagree with him, is where he says that certain technologies &#8211;\nXML, URIs, HTTP, SOAP, and\nWSDL &#8211; work today, because he&#8217;s seen them work.  I don&#8217;t personally think seeing\none, two, or even a handful of working examples is sufficient.  I want to\nsee <em>rabid<\/em> success be a requirement for admittance to that list.\nSo, IMO, the list should be XML, URIs, and HTTP.<\/p>\n\n<p>I would really like to understand Tim&#8217;s support for WSDL.\nTo me, if you think WSDL is a good idea (at least in its current\nform viz a viz WSDL 1.1 and WSDL 2.0), then you necessarily believe\nthat state transfer, and, well, the Web itself, is somehow an\ninsufficient basis for large scale distributed computing.  I know Tim&#8217;s\nan absolute Web fanatic, which is why I&#8217;m at a loss to explain it.<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"I&#8217;ve wondered before where exactly Tim Bray stands on Web services. Now I know. I agree with him more than I disagree, but there&#8217;s something I very strongly disagree with him about. Where I do agree with him is in the need for simplicity; things have gotten totally out of control, and we need to [&hellip;]","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[26,40],"class_list":["post-347","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-soap","tag-xml"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/347","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=347"}],"version-history":[{"count":0,"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/347\/revisions"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=347"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=347"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"http:\/\/www.markbaker.ca\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=347"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}