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I’ll take the expanded version, thanks
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“SOAP’s goal of being agnostic to transports is fine. But being agnostic does not mean it has to be impossible to leverage the underlying transport’s efficiencies.” I could have used the backup circa 2000/2001!
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“It looks more & more that we are going to have two incompatible world-views and protocol pillars.”. Not really; Darwin usually picks sides 8-)
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An interesting read about the history of “REST vs. SOAP”. Quotes some Roy’s more heated statements too 8-)
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Fascinating observations by Jon. Those habits should go up on a Wiki.
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“415 – Don’t eat your boogers”. Good advice from Mark.
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“Another benefit of this is that if there is ever a new syndication feed format, you don’t have to wait for browsers to be updated with the new MIME type to recognise it as a feed.” Independent evolution, check!
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Damn, only 58. Africa killed me.
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My latest on why the Web is better.
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“”So your architect isn’t all bought into SOA, eh? Well fire him, dammit.”” 8-) You get what you deserve, of course.
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“Anyone can master the names of big concepts and combine them like so many puzzle pieces; it’s knowing how they work that takes time.” Sound familiar?
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“Now begins the age of REST, and Rails, and Microformats, and getting shit done.” Amen!
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It’s 2006; it shouldn’t be that difficult to write even a reasonably good “REST vs SOAP” story. This one doesn’t seem to add anything more to the conversation that wasn’t there in 2001.
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Damn, is this for real?!
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An example of how Axis2’s “REST support”, isn’t.
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A Grid-type embraces the Web.
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A hilarious, unpublished (in papers) Dilbert.
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Nooooooo!
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“with REST, this turns out to be easy to fix”. I have to disagree that this is a quality of REST. One could easily build that capability into specs looking a whole lot like SOAP/WS-*, but you’d still have a crappy architecture.
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Yeah! 8-) (via Libby Miller)
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You’ll always be invited to my parties, Nelson 8-)
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“Which brings to mind that it was ten years ago at that same conference (different name then) […]” I think it’s due another name change; “Web Data 2007” anyone?
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Will wonders never cease?
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“When requests for new features overwhelmed Last.FM’s small staff, the company made the bold decision to create open interfaces to the site, and soon independent developers began piling in with enhancements.” Nice.
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Using all the right buzzwords, and avoiding all the wrong ones. Sounds like fun.
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Robin gets indoctrinated?
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Apparently he finds karma.
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Good interview, including a good anti-complexity anti-WS-* bit. (@16:30).
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“OpenLayers makes it easy to put a dynamic map in any web page.”. v2.2 released.
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Mark falls a peg on my respect-o-meter.(not to worry Mark, you’re still way up there 8-)
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OMG, this would be hilarious if weren’t so true. “Well, this new style isn’t actually written down anywhere.” Bingo! ROTFL!
Sanjiva gave a talk at Google on Web services, which also touched on REST. Unfortunately there’s a lot of misinformation in there about REST, including a statement to the effect of “If you want to sign your message, you can’t use REST” (I don’t think I’m taking that out of context), plus a slide (@ 25:00) that includes the following;
REST vs. WS-* is the wrong battle - WS-* is used to create Service Oriented Architecture - REST is used to create Resource Oriented Architecture
When taken together with some other comments, it appears as though Sanjiva sees REST as an alias for HTTP (or perhaps HTTP/URI), which it isn’t of course. He’s certainly entitled to his own beliefs, but I think he would do well to spend a couple of days with his nose buried deep in Roy’s dissertation… and not just chapter 5. Until that happens, I’d personally avoid trying to make conclusions about how these different approaches may or may not relate, or may or may not compete.