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Grr, no RSS/Atom feed?!?!
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“At some point in the past rolling out an application to 300,000 people was the pinnacle of engineering excellence. Today it means you passed your second round of funding and can move out of your parents garage.” Nice.
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ROTFL!
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Dang, Mark Pilgrim makes exactly the point I was going to make.
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Way to go Molly!
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“LoST needs an underlying protocol transport mechanisms to carry requests and responses”. Another misuse of HTTP when the proper use appears a superior solution. *sigh*
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Does anybody else find #12 a wee bit ironic, given Don’s role in WS-*? 8-/
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An update
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A nice one from Dave. Data is clearly his forte 8-) It would be interesting to see him apply this theory to common practice with XML Schema, and RDF/XML vs. vanilla XML.
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“As of December 5, 2006, we are no longer actively supporting the SOAP Search API” Buh-bye!
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Hugh finally gets “roy.gbiv.com” 8-)
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A kindred spirit. Subscribed!
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“Another benefit of this is that if there is ever a new syndication feed format, you don’t have to wait for browsers to be updated with the new MIME type to recognise it as a feed.” Independent evolution, check!
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Damn, only 58. Africa killed me.
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My latest on why the Web is better.
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“”So your architect isn’t all bought into SOA, eh? Well fire him, dammit.”” 8-) You get what you deserve, of course.
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“Anyone can master the names of big concepts and combine them like so many puzzle pieces; it’s knowing how they work that takes time.” Sound familiar?
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Yeah! 8-) (via Libby Miller)
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You’ll always be invited to my parties, Nelson 8-)
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“Which brings to mind that it was ten years ago at that same conference (different name then) […]” I think it’s due another name change; “Web Data 2007” anyone?
I like how news of Sam and Leonard’s REST book is kicking off a new REST/SOAP thread. This time though, it seems the tables are turned and it’s the Web services proponents who are having to defend their preferred architectural style, rather than other way around. It’s about freakin’ time! I’m kinda tuckered 8-O
Sanjiva chimes in, in response to Sam’s probing questions;
ARGH. I wish people will stop saying flatly incorrect things about a SOAP message: it does NOT contain the method name. That’s just a way of interpreting SOAP messages […] SOAP is just carrying some XML and in some cases people may want to interpret the XML as a representation of a procedure call/response. However, that’s a choice of interpretation for users and two parties of a communication may interpret it differently and still interoperate.
Oh my.
Every message has a “method”; a symbol which is defined to have a certain meaning understood by sender and recipient so that the sender understands what it’s asking be done, and the recipient knows what it’s being asked to do. A recipient which doesn’t understand what is being asked of it cannot process the message for hopefully obvious reasons.
What Sanjiva’s talking about there is ambiguity as a feature of Web services; that some recipients will interpret a message to mean one thing, while others another. Note that this is very different than what the recipients actually do in response to the message; that can and should, obviously, vary. But varying interpretations of the meaning of the message? Absurd.
When the “Emperor has no clothes”, it is the responsibility of the senior technical staff to stand up and say so. Sales people are driven by short term business. A marketing agency work with all manner of vague and ambiguous factors. Executives work with the information that other people have given them. Managers work with the directions they have been given. Engineers are the people who responsible for figuring out how this stuff is all going to work … and if it isn’t going to work they have an obligation to say so.
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“Traffic Web Services are also available through the Traffic REST API.” Erm, so there’s an RSS API *and* a REST API? Does .. not .. compute. REST != XML/HTTP. I’d say scrap the “REST API”. Nice work otherwise though. Keep it coming.
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Heh, he said “MIME Typen”. I hope I’m not offending anyone by finding that cute 8-)
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Heh, I love it; SOA as Beta 8-) P.S. Jeff, the VHS version came out 15 years ago, not 5. 5 years ago somebody tried to put video on 8-track 8-)
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“Can the Web fulfill industry and business requirements?” Pretty much, yah.
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“Also, there is no logout button. I plan to take care of both problems for new schemes in Mozilla.” God bless you, Rob Sayre.